【异国】从赞比亚做非洲狮子志愿者回来,有啥想问我的?

我看到很多人包括我自己,都因为楼主的这个帖子产生了极大的兴趣,以至于我现在了解到了很多其他的意见后真的没有办法不在这里提醒大家. 很遗憾,我一直在网上做各种搜索,找出的绝大部分亲身参与的志愿者,不但不满意这种实质以赚钱为目的的'付费志愿活动,' 项目的效果更是与保护狮子的核心目的大相径庭. 尤其是想到楼主说今年5月还要再回去,希望楼主能够三思不要再给这种项目送钱,好心可能还害了狮子.

如果原楼主现在还看到这个帖子,请针对我提供的link还有问题回答,毕竟楼主是唯一一个亲身参与这个project的人.
http://blog.africageographic.com/africa-geographic-blog/conservation/walking-with-lions-good-conservation-probably-not/

截取一些志愿者还有专家的意见,先截选一些重要原文,懒得看英文的同学可以跳到后面看我总结的主要论点:

‘Dereck Joubert, conservationist, National Geographic Explorer in Residence and wildlife documentary filmmaker: “In my opinion the activity is fundamentally flawed. A lion is a potentially dangerous animal and walking with it not only exposes guests to an accident that will result in the lion needing to be killed, but also erodes the wildness, the mystique and the very essence of what a wild lion is by taming it.'

Volunteer:" I was there as a volunteer and was apalled by what I saw. they have over a hundred lions, but there is no vet!!! I know about at least 5-6 lions that died only this year, mostly due to human errors, like not fixing a weak fence etc, but also because they are too cheap to call a vet when needed. If you have a very small cub that is covered in fungus, you see it get weaker every day, you would call a vet, wouldn't you? Well they waited about 6 weeks and then ofcourse it was too late! the vet had to put the cub down. Not even mentioning the fact that that cub had been taken away from it's mom at 3 weeks old... for what? for entertainment of some tourists? I thought I was going to a worthy cause, but afterwards realised my mistake... "

The big question is: When will they release them? they don't have a stage 3, let along a stage 4... and from what I hear, all the money that comes in goes to new projects, not stage 3 or 4...I hope a lot of possible volunteers read this and decide to spend their money on a good cause, not a party place like Antelope Park. Glad somebody is finally doing something to stop this charade!

I was amazed how many breeding lions were kept in one enclosure.. huge males
packed together with their only entertainment being the feeding days where they
were able to run towards their food (again, amazing photo opportunities).

Now, a few years later, i know better. I am not the ignorant volunteer anymore.
One by one the lions have passed away .. fights between the males .. lions
getting out their enclosure and into the females' enclosures, illnesses,
unexplainable deaths..

还有这个link在trip advisor上,指明African Impact的狮子项目是个完全骗局.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g293759-i9323-k5104782-Volunteering_with_African_Impact_Antelope_Park_Zimbabwe-Zimbabwe.html

重要截选:
Any place that allows people to walk with the animals does not have the successful release of the animals into the wild as their priority. Their priority is tourist dollars. Successful rehabilitation and release of wildlife entails as little human contact as possible. Predators who become too familiar with humans will end up being shot once released because they will approach humans too closely. For the safety of both the animals and humans, all wildlife MUST maintain a natural fear of humans. There are legitimate wildlife rehab and release facilities in Africa that take volunteers, however they don't allow humans to play with or walk amongst the animals. People need to stop being so naive. If you're allowed to play with or walk amongst the animals, it's a tourist trap...not a legitimate wildlife rehab/release facility. Don't kid yourself!!! And if that's what people really want, then they should save their money and volunteer at their local zoo or animal shelter!

That is what they claim, but I totally agree that this is a scam for generating tourist dollars (and dollars from people who pay to "volunteer".


还有这个在loney planet贴出的这个帖
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1814364

贴主也是亲身经历这个项目,然后回来后愤怒写出如下:
I went on their Big 5 project in Zimbabwe this year. We were all told in the information we got in advance that we were going to do voluntary work there with scientists. When we came nothing like that was arranged and not even possible. We spent most of our time there waiting for things to happen. They wanted us to do a survival course instead. All our dreams and money just vanished during that week. When we came home and talked to African Impact and Real gap about it they have changed all the information about the project and refuse to repay or even answer.
If African Impact would have repaid us and said they were sorry for being the cause of our disappointment we would be able to believe that this was an accident.
I just want to send you a warning that if you would like to go with them, some things are just great but do not expect that everything would be 100% accurate according to their information.

所有的一切总结就是:
1. 这个项目的主要目的就是为了赚游客钱.
2. 项目打着提高狮子数量的幌子,实际提供非常差的狮子生存条件,许多狮子被关在一起, 得不到兽医的及时诊治。
3. 更重要的是,资深的保护野外动物的专家,很多都反对这种人工接触的救助方式。正因为狮子的数量减少与人类屠杀有关,所以更应该让狮子保持一种对人的天生的警惕性和恐惧. 这种项目在历史上成功的几率就非常低.
4. 有志愿者反应去了后根本没能做到这个组织所承诺的活动. 在国外的志愿者看来,他们所提供的活动完全是旅游性质,和志愿活动关联甚小,而且收费过高 (包吃住约人民币6000一周).
5. 这也是最耸人听闻的一点:虽然这种项目的网站上号称整个人工繁衍狮子的项目分为四个阶段, 但是主要目的就是在一,二阶段(小狮子陪游客一起玩耍,赚钱的核心). 绝大部分收入都被投入前期,而真正的放养阶段三和四根本如同虚设,许多狮子长大后离奇死亡的很多, 不然就是通过如同‘洗黑钱市场'一般的 'wildlife laundering system,' 这些狮子会’somehow‘通过某种途径进入狮子养殖场(lion farm),成为很多不远万里而来的越洋猎人,专以打杀狮子扒皮做纪念品的休闲娱乐活动. 这些都是在网上一搜就出来,近年在非洲许多人都开始意识并抵制的黑暗面

当然,如果楼主所见到的一切和我所总结的不同,确确实实落实了这个项目的第三阶段和第四阶段是真实存在的,所有阶段4的狮子被放回合法的(这是重点)野生繁衍地, 请在帖子里告知大家,我会进一步和其他国家志愿者核实。

此外,最后再提个醒:如果有些妹子专程奔着萌狮过去的,也不是那么在乎志愿不志愿,影响不影响,这种类型的项目确实发生过狮子突然袭击人类的事件(请自行google). 近距离接触这种打从骨子里就是很危险的动物,本身就是没有人可以保证你100%安全的,兽性什么上来,谁敢保证. 如果出了什么事,小则毁容,大则丧命。楼主没事是楼主吉人自有天相,谁敢去冒这个不怕一万就怕万一的险?请各位妹子还有准备再次前行的楼主三思, 也请其他参与过非洲项目的人继续分享经验。  (VI)
不好意思才看到你的回复
感谢你提供了那么多信息,有些信息我曾经也是看过的,有些是没看到过的,很值得我思考。
至于专家意见那一块,我听到两种不同的声音,无法去判断真伪,这一点,还值得探究
关于looney planet 的那个帖子,首先,我们去的不是一个PROGRAM,我在赞比亚,他在津巴布韦,我不知道他们的PROGRAM如何运行,但是我只能很确定的说,我在我的program那段时间,每天都很很忙,都是有事要做,就像PROGRAM当初承诺的那样
任何事情都有至少两种声音,谢谢这位朋友分享了你搜索到的讯息,还要前往的朋友也可以参考如下,但对于我而言,那段经历非常难忘,也许最后发现自己的行为并没有实际上帮助到,但也不后悔。
楼主是什么样的信念驱使你要去做志愿者呢?那这期间你原有的生活怎么办 (梦箩)
我的信念很简单啊,我想去非洲,又系那个接触动物,GOOGLE了有这样的机会就去了。
我放暑假,所以跟原有的生活没有矛盾
我的信念很简单啊,我想去非洲,又系那个接触动物,GOOGLE了有这样的机会就去了。
我放暑假,所以跟原有的生活没有矛盾 (不粘手糯米)
想接触动物*
很向往但还是不敢去非洲呀 (wshs)
非洲是一个大洲,里面还有很多国家,人家南非还比中国很多地方发达呢。
今年有六只小狮子出生,有兴趣的朋友可以去FB PAGE关注。
对这个项目好感兴趣 主要是想去非洲看动物
楼主那边的厕所怎么样 我只关心这个 (小河马)
很干净,无异味
是不是很好玩啊 (田妮妮baby)
是的
去年去的,所以没事。
现在非洲那边埃博拉病毒太恐怖了,楼主在的地方还安全吗 (吃饱了撑哒撒)
去年去的,但就算现在,埃博拉大部分也只在西非,赞比亚属于中部
寄生虫哪都有吧。。。。。
这些志愿者组织怎么找到,有没有海外不要钱的志愿者组织 (w.woden)
看我日记,我有找到不要钱的,但都在南美洲。
印度教师不是亚洲人么。。。 (OY)
可能,楼上那位指,东亚,像我们。
Lz真是个勇敢有志气的妹子!!这是这个组里最棒的帖子之一,给我们打开了一扇门看到了一个新世界。我也无比向往,但目前现阶段各种条件不允许,家里人肯定也是反对的。但lz启发了我找世界各地的义工项目。明天起床好好搜索一下。至于另一个朋友搜集到的信息,我也认真滴看了。

lz的帖子透露出的一种精神,带给我更大的震撼,就是"人生不设限",所以我会带着这种精神一直好好生活工作下去〜

btw 我也是深圳的,可以加lz微信么?总觉得我们之间就算不认识也会有共同好友〜
 (小慈)
谢谢你的认同,我主页里的日记有一些我搜集的一些项目,你可以参考。
我常年在国内,国内的朋友圈很小,用豆瓣还是很频繁的,有什么可以豆瓣联系我,或者邮箱。
楼主太棒,我一直是有心无力哎 ()
一直认为,世上很多“办不到”的事不是能力不足,而是行动力不足。
lz正在加拿大读书吗 (猪小姐)
是的
为嘛常年在国内?本科在加拿大读书嘛? (小慈)
打错了,常年在国外,不好意思。
可以email我你主页上关于志愿者项目的日志吗?找了一圈没找到。。。
gloria1117@163.com 谢谢啦 (小慈)
http://www.douban.com/note/303679945/
我九月份去巴厘岛志愿者半个月全部才花9000 (yo)
非洲的项目IN GENERAL来说都会贵很多,特别是动物类项目,查了很多家ORGANIZATION,差不多都是这个价,而且机票就一万了,然而亚洲项目普遍便宜很多。
你说的芦荟胶加防晒霜是抹防晒之前涂一层芦荟胶吗?还是晒后涂芦荟胶? (浪味仙)
LIVINGSTONE就那个维多利亚瀑布出名,其他的大概就是邮轮看夕阳这些,去找当地的TOUR报名吧。
先擦芦荟胶,后擦防晒霜。
想去抱抱萌猫!

不过看官方网站,赞比亚的艾滋病感染率是21%,私下还远远超过。

真的没有那么可怕吗?或者,有什么好的措施吗? (woodpen)
艾滋病传播途径有三种,母婴,性交,血液。
要真的措施的话,性交带套。
血液这些是很难控制很防范的。
我倒是参加过一个关于艾滋志愿者的活动,其实挺好的做做这些活动

很多事情并不是说你需要一颗激情澎湃的心

而是不影响你自己前提下(包括生活、经济、健康等等),去进行 (Cthrational)
赞同,我没有觉得这有多伟大,有多勇敢,其实大家只是在做很平凡的事情。虽然在帮助别人,帮助动物,但我觉得最大受益的还是自己的内心。
看得好心动啊啊啊啊啊.....话说我超级怕蛇,那里会经常遇到蛇吗 (子非鱼)
原汁原味大自然,应该会经常出现任何动物
好厉害,有语言成绩的要求吗? (滴溜溜_)
没有仔细看我的之前的回答哦
55页留言看吐了QAQ (滴溜溜_)
额 内个 语言这块我在第一页好像就概括了呢(`х´)
好奇楼主的隐形眼镜怎么摘不下来了 (sumentlee)
就这样不见了
不麻烦,非洲国家的签证其实都还好,就看要不要你黄热疫苗这些了。我妈信suan ming,说我今年不能坐飞机,所以我哪都不能去,已经在家哭了两天了,内啥,我想一个人静静。
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