[经验交流]哥在国外混了10年的学英语感受

  
  最近忙活很多事情。。。学新东西,换新办公室。。所以没怎么更新哈,大家见谅。- -不过哥不会放弃此楼的
  
  今天打了个电话,弄了个优惠,明天开始就有免费的中央台芒果台什么的看了,可以免费3个月- -另外又开始想办法弄点上网费的打折,今天忽悠了客服一半,然后人家下班了,明天继续忽悠,争取拿下来5块钱的折扣- -之前弄的1年免费的电视节目就要到期了,唉,要想办法弄新的便宜计划了。话说这也看出来老外还是很遵守合约的,哥以前偶然弄到的一个免费看电视1年,这要是放在国内,被有线发现这个错误,估计早就给哥取消了。老外还是很善良的。。。
  
  一般这些时候,英语的重要性就出现了- -
  
  哥随便胡说几句哈,主要目的是顶帖子哈,另外告诉大家哥还没被玛雅长老抓走。。。
  
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  另外,叶问2有非枪版吗?- -看得哥眼花。。。
  
  再另外,推荐大家一个哥最近看的电影,很特别的一个电影^^kick ass,一个看之前以为很无聊的片子,看之后觉得很难忘的片子。。
  
  
  作者:galnextdoor 回复日期:2010-05-04 09:54:37 
  
    hi, LZ, may i add you into my friend list here or msn? Please let me know if you have time for msn? You amused me with your sarcarstic humor. :-)
  
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  you can try join the qq group =) i will be there. i dont use MSN that often.
  作者:就是这么着 回复日期:2010-05-04 13:07:46 
  
    终于把前面看完了。。受益匪浅啊。
    话说草根哥,我是高中生呐,如果是要应付考试的话
    看美剧 动画肯定不行的吧。
    有没有什么方法推荐呢??
    谢谢啦。
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  要是应付考试,哥就没什么发言权了- -哥当初高中的时候英语还行吧,其实也就是背课文做卷子,真不知道有什么捷径,所以这个还是请大家多发言哈。。
  
  作者:杭杭ZJ 回复日期:2010-05-05 12:18:06 
  
    作者:yiyashao, I do not know if I am right but it seems to me that as you are more experienced now, you think too much of yourself and that you believe that if you appear a certain way, you are better than those who are less fortunate than you. For instance, going abroad would make you appear to be better than someone who studies only domestically. Another great example would be the make of car you own or how big your home is. There are many people in this world who don't have much but are extremely wonderful and are almost immediately judged by the way they dress and live. People who are more fortunate than others seem to get more respect than those who have less.
    
    Hehe……
  
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  - -本来打算睡觉了,不过回一下这个再睡哈,反正还不困。这位同学说哥“感觉自己比别的没有自己幸运的同学要强”,这个是冤枉哥了,哥从来没有说过哥比谁强过,从头到尾都是跟大家分享哥的一些废话- -谁让哥是话痨呢,而且有些话唠叨了好多遍,典型的话痨病症状哈。另外这位同学说“哥出国让人看起来哥好像比别人在国内读书的强,一个好例子就是你开什么车住什么房子”,实话告诉大家吧,哥在国内的时候,没人觉得哥是从国外回来的,也没人会这么想- -哥老朴实了,哥不是那种买了房子就把钥匙贴在脑门,或者买了车就把钥匙也贴在脑门的人,哥实在是觉得那样太傻了,哥不缺少智商,所以不会那么做。另外顺便说一句,国外买车实在是没什么大不了的,即使是刷盘子的工作,用3个月工资买辆车(有个朋友最近买了辆二手佳美),这个是很平常的事情,在国外开车只是没办法,地方太大,人又太少,所以每个人直接住的都很远- -想想把80万人铺在上海那么大个地方上,每个人得离多远啊- -。所以,开车是没办法的,而且最近那个倒霉公共汽车公司又发疯了,月票又涨价了,哥坐公共汽车上班要$4.5一天,开车油钱也就$3,童鞋们,哥是迫不得已的不环保啊。
  
  然后同学说了“这个世界上,有很多很棒的但是几乎一无所有的同学,经常被人狗眼看人低”这句话哥同意,但是哥更觉得此类同学比别人更有努力的理由,总比天天坐在那抱怨要好。再就是,哥一直觉得自己很幸运,而且哥觉得哥一直在糟蹋自己的幸运,因为哥太懒了,这一点一直在反省。但是哥也知道很多人虽然看起来幸运,但是同样的幸运放到不同的人身上也会有不同的结果,哥很尊敬那些人。最后一句话哥就不翻译了,给大家当课后习题哈,首先,哥觉得大家如果尊哥,哥很感激,但是哥真的觉得哥没做什么,不值得大家尊敬,大家能当哥是朋友,哥就很开心了。第二,被人尊敬,不仅仅是幸运就可以的,当你注意他的幸运的时候,你就放弃了向他学习努力的机会(哥声明哈,这个他,绝对不是哥,而是哥要学习的各位榜样们)。
  
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  哥有点逻辑感的原因不知道跟英语有米有关系,但是哥觉得跟哥的专业是有关的,哥是学编程的,这个需要研究各种算法什么的,对逻辑要求也是很高的。哥有个朋友,是学法律的,那逻辑感是超强,不过她都用来跟哥吵架了- -哥甘拜下风
  
  至于杭杭同学说到的,首先,哥再次声明哈,sharing和teaching,是不同的,然后introducing和comparing也是不同的。具体概念,同学们可以自己查哈。哥只是分享一下哥的学习过程,然后介绍一下哥了解的老外们。仔细看哥的帖子或者在群里听哥说话的同学都会知道,哥一直说,哥从来都觉得中文是最好的语言,而且哥的中文永远比英文强,再就是哥想回国,只是时机未成熟而已- -哥留恋国内的繁华。哥从不认为老外比中国人强,或者哥自己比谁强,就拿哥昨天看的叶问2里的话来说,只是让大家增进了解,更加容易交流吧。所以,欢迎大家一起来分享哈,吵架就算了,一点建设性都米有- -
  
  另外哥昨天看了叶问,里面英文名叫Ip Man,哥有个疑问,问下广东同学们,这个Ip Man[yi p man],是不是就是叶问两个字的广东发音啊?
  
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  顺便哥今天看到一篇有意思的文章,yahoo上面的,大家看看哈,一起研究。。。
  
  Worst words to say at work
  
  Let's look at some specific words and phrases that are used by some people to buy time, avoid giving answers and escape commitment. If you use these words and phrases yourself, take a scalpel and cut them out of your thinking, speaking and writing. Words like these only weaken you and make you sound noncommittal, undependable and untrustworthy.
  
  "Try"
  Try is a weasel word. "Well, I'll try," some people say. It's a cop-out. They're just giving you lip service when they probably have no real intention of doing what you ask. Remember what Yoda says to Luke Skywalker in Star Wars: "Do or do not - there is no try." Take Yoda's advice. Give it your all when you attempt something. And if it doesn't work, start over.
  
  Put passion into your work and give it your best effort, so you can know that you did all you could to make it happen. So if the outcome you were expecting didn't come to fruition, it's not because you didn't do everything you could to make it happen. It just wasn't the right time for it or it wasn't meant to be.
  
  "Whatever"
  This word is a trusted favorite of people who want to dismiss you, diminish what you say or get rid of you quickly. "Whatever," they will say as an all-purpose response to your earnest request. It's an insult and a verbal slap in the face. It's a way to respond to a person without actually responding. When you say whatever after another person has said his or her piece, you have essentially put up a wall between the two of you and halted any progress in communicating. It's a word to avoid.
  
  "Maybe" and "I don't know"
  People will sometimes avoid making a decision and hide behind words and phrases like "maybe" and "I don't know." There's a difference between legitimately not knowing something and using words like these as excuses. Sometimes during a confrontation people will claim not to know something or offer the noncommittal response "maybe," just to avoid being put on the spot. If that seems to be the case, ask, "When do you think you will know?" or "How can you find out?" Don't let the person off the hook so easily.
  
  "I'll get back to you"
  When people need to buy time or avoid revealing a project's status, they will say, "I'll get back to you," and they usually never do. If people say they will get back to you, always clarify. Ask them when they will get back to you, and make sure they specify the day and time. If they don't, then pin them down to a day and time and hold them to it. If they won't give you a day or time, tell them you'll call in a day or week and follow up. Make sure you call and get the information you need.
  
  "If"
  Projects depend on everyone doing his or her part. People who use if are usually playing the blame game and betting against themselves. They like to set conditions, rather than assuming a successful outcome. People who rely on conditional responses are fortifying themselves against potential failure. They will say, "If Bob finishes his part, then I can do my part." They're laying the groundwork for a "no fault" excuse and for not finishing their work.
  
  There are always alternatives, other routes and ways to get the job done. Excuse makers usually have the energy of a slug, the vision of Mr. Magoo and the spine of a jellyfish. You don't want them on your mountain climbing team up K-2 or Mount Everest.
  
  "Yes, but ..."
  This is another excuse. You might give your team members suggestions or solutions and they come back to you with "Yes, but . . ." as a response. They don't really want answers, help, or solutions. You need to call the "Yes, but . . ." people out on their avoidance tactic by saying something like: "You know, Jackie, every time I offer you a suggestion you say, 'Yes, but . . . ,' which makes me think you don't really want to solve this problem. That's not going to work. If you want to play the victim, go right ahead, but I'm not going to allow you to keep this up and I may have to report you." After a response like that, you can be assured that the next words you hear will not be, "Yes, but . . ."!
  
  "I guess ..."
  This is usually said in a weak, soft-spoken, shoulder-shrugging manner. It's another attempt to shirk responsibility - a phrase is only muttered when people half agree with you, but want to leave enough leeway to say, "Well, I didn't really know. . . . I was only guessing." If you use this phrase, cut it out of your vocabulary.
  
  "We'll see ..."
  How many times did we hear our parents say this? We knew they were buying time, avoiding a fight or confrontation or really saying no. It's better to be decisive and honest by saying, "I need more information. Please present your case or send me the data - both pro and con - so I can make an informed decision." That way the interested parties will contribute to an in-depth, well-researched "verdict."
  
  by Linnda Durre, for Forbes.com
  Tuesday, May 4, 2010
  
  值得借鉴
  - - 挑战什么?哥认输行不?
  
  
  
  ★ 发自天涯专用iPhone软件-百读不倦
  作者:和女儿一起学英语 回复日期:2010-05-06 11:48:08 
  
     楼主哥,经过一段时间疲劳轰炸,我现在真的能看懂一些美剧了。
    
     但是只能听见一些单词,然后根本不能想怎么模仿,怎么翻译,不能想,一想就没法跟上速度,只能知道“那个意思”。
    
     一句话听完,知道意思,无法跟着说出来,只知道意思。
    
     这是正常现象吗?
  
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  哥当初也是这样的,另外哥觉得这个阶段不必要去模仿,翻译,这个就是要让你跨过翻译那个过程,应该是已经慢慢形成英语的思维了。这个算是哥当初见证奇迹的第一步吧^^话说你比哥见证奇迹还早。。。
  
  慢慢来,听得足够多了的时候,不用想模仿,就会发现那句话已经等在那里了。哥当时就是这样的,加上没事跟同学天天msn,icq上面聊天,过了一段时间以后,就可以说出来了。不要急^^至少按照哥的经历,不用急。
  作者:叶子繁 回复日期:2010-05-06 17:27:33 
  
    yi p man。。。是叶文的英语发音。。。LZ i have thought u r a cantonese for a long time
  
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  来的久了,能听懂一点广东话^^
  作者:从梦开始 回复日期:2010-05-06 16:16:23 
  
    把辛普森下载了,看不懂,只当是教材,就拿第一集来反复看。人笨,没办法。在verycd里有。全集。
  
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  哥觉得找自己感兴趣的东西就好,刚开始看不懂也没事,继续往下看。一个东西反复看,让你失去兴趣了就不好了
  另外动画片的好处就是你听不懂大概也可以看懂
  作者:sarahwang26 回复日期:2010-05-08 22:10:55 
  
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  其实哥前面好像也写过了,这里懒得往回凡,再说一遍,希望大家能看到这里- -同时也同意这位同学的观点,哥的这个学习方法,所面对的对象,不是学生,而应该是已经完成学业的兄弟姐妹们。比如已经开始工作了,并无考试压力的同学们。前面有个高中同学问哥,咋应付考试,哥真不知道,哥当时也是被高考几乎逼疯了- -天天做卷子,记得好像那个时候知道了北京有个区,叫海淀区。
  
  哥希望能试一试哥的方法的同学,是在工作中能用到英文,需要一些实战英语的童鞋们,并且不是专业翻译,或者专业英语工作者的童鞋们。英语对这些童鞋来说,其实就是工作,而哥想建议大家注意的,是把重点放在对英语对话内容的充实,和如何加强流利程度。
  
  然后这些同学大多数也是时间比较有限,或者有点懒(不过肯定不会比哥懒),或者说没法拿出专门的时间来学习英语,所以拿出来看电视剧和网上聊天的时间,来捎带加强自己的语感。
  
  至于考试英语,哥第一是没经历过4-6级,第二,哥的托福成绩也就一般般,远远不如新东方的各位毕业生们,所以这个部分,哥觉得还是其他同学扔出各位的玉器吧- -
  
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  - -哥现在正在看目前最火,最新的搞笑片,新版三国。实在是让哥忍俊不禁啊。。推荐给大家看。
  
  
  作者:取个啥名字想半天 回复日期:2010-05-10 12:08:55 
  
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  ^^我们还是采取冷处理的态度吧,不然就没完没了了,哥自认没有倒哥那么多的精力和战斗力
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